tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post8638598195189082046..comments2023-12-22T01:47:49.178-05:00Comments on oh you beauty: Liverpool 2-0 Evertonnatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10043601945557998732noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-69008062489375052782011-10-08T05:29:52.871-04:002011-10-08T05:29:52.871-04:0040th!
Cheers to the season so far and lets get ...40th! <br /><br />Cheers to the season so far and lets get this international break over with... Maybe I'll buy a new kit this weekend, anyone like the new white kits this year? LiL too Man City for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-35642467402207974242011-10-06T07:24:59.307-04:002011-10-06T07:24:59.307-04:00hahaaa nice one Shatner...
oh and Nate, meh all g...hahaaa nice one Shatner...<br /><br />oh and Nate, meh all good your blogisphere works well as is, tidy and uncluttered. But if you do add some extras I will press the like button.Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10167653120015410557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-82163627520677784102011-10-06T05:45:42.909-04:002011-10-06T05:45:42.909-04:00Pan
I will BOLDY go where NO MAN ... pause... has...Pan<br /><br />I will BOLDY go where NO MAN ... pause... has... GONE before...<br /><br />-shatnerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-37050105581596617732011-10-05T20:58:13.008-04:002011-10-05T20:58:13.008-04:00@Pan
Blogger's comment system doesn't all...@Pan<br /><br />Blogger's comment system doesn't allow that. Still very basic, and hasn't ever been updated in the five years I've had this blog. Since we're in the midst of an international break and I won't be posting as much until next week, maybe I'll look into alternatives.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure Disqus – for one – works on Blogger, but since Liverpool Offside has that, I don't know if I want it. You can't trust those guys. Maybe there are others as well. I'll check around.natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043601945557998732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-56336387199585119742011-10-05T20:39:30.494-04:002011-10-05T20:39:30.494-04:00My goodness 35 comments and counting - must be som...My goodness 35 comments and counting - must be some kind of record. Good to see so much discussion on here, with such polaric points of view, hurrah!!<br /><br />I must say though... Anon (or whoever) was MAKING their points in such BOLD fashion - WHENEVER you make points in CAPS I can't help but picture you JABBING your finger into someone's chest when you DO make you're points… maybe I'm just being pugnacious myself in saying this but you come across as belligerent regardless of the case you’re making. Either that or you’re just changing the inflection of your tone subtlety, for emphasis - similar to William Shatner.. in which case awesome. I guess it's hard to tell in txtland.<br />Anyways at least you’re making points about football... which I’m not... um... go go Gerrard's Groin<br /><br />p.s. Hey Nate, is there some way or an option which can be turned on for us readers to 'reply to' each other in this Blogger's comments format? Could be fun.Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10167653120015410557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-78592311273688813702011-10-05T03:59:50.647-04:002011-10-05T03:59:50.647-04:00I agree Matt, however, I do feel at his age he sho...I agree Matt, however, I do feel at his age he should no longer play as a CAM... his long passes and late deep runs are what we need from him. He moves to slow to play again a Man city or Man utd or Chelsea defense these days. He needs to play alongside lucas in a 4-2-3-1 lucas sticks, passes to gerrard, gerrard feeds the attackers. Gerrard at his age needs to morph into an Alonso.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-9331302448455525352011-10-05T03:25:15.985-04:002011-10-05T03:25:15.985-04:00Naturally Gerrard's lost a step in the past ye...Naturally Gerrard's lost a step in the past year. He's only just returning from a huge injury, but let's not write him off before he has even played a full game since coming back. He obviously isn't fully match fit, and even a Gerrard who has lost a step is still a mighty fine player. He can bring certain intangibles that simply make Liverpool better.mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-44165231420750737422011-10-04T16:08:32.036-04:002011-10-04T16:08:32.036-04:00Seems Gerrard has definitely lost a step this past...Seems Gerrard has definitely lost a step this past year. His shots for the last 2 years have been inaccurate as well. We need him to sit back a little and maybe play a 4-2-3-1 with gerrard and lucas as CDM's then a downing-kuyt-henderson then suarez up top. who's with me? also... please start coates instead of skrtel. skrtel has reached his potential and its avg at best.... lets see coates and see him catch up to the speed of the EPL and become who he was born to be.... the next Hypia!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-71436979402867271762011-10-04T06:48:31.495-04:002011-10-04T06:48:31.495-04:00Wow. All I'm going to say is that it's goo...Wow. All I'm going to say is that it's good to see Gerrard back haha. Hopefully, it won't be too long until he's fit enough to start matches.mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-76157352467466404512011-10-03T18:59:32.542-04:002011-10-03T18:59:32.542-04:00Marc,
You list Downing, Kuyt, Agger, Johnson, L...Marc, <br /><br />You list Downing, Kuyt, Agger, Johnson, Lucas as "star" players. I would have to disagree. Right now, no team ahead of us would start any of those players on their own team. Downing isn't better than any midfielder on Utd or City or Chelsea. Agger isn't better than their defenders. Kuyt, lets be honest, "works hard" which is a hint at his true lack of skill. Johnson is the new Harry Kewell, kudos for anyone here who watched a game where Kewell played. Lucas is okay. But do any of you really think Barca/Madrid/Chelski/Mancs would actually start him? <br /><br />This is the problem Marc... we are considering players who are good to be STARS. This is the heart of bias. This is the heart of letting yourself believe the hype n propaganda your own club puts out so supporters feel there is hope. Though unless we sign a Neymar or of the like we will never win the League. Everyone is happy to be in champions league contention.. that hasn't been our goal since 2005. After 2005 it was to win the league... we haven't done it yet and we won't even come close again this year. It's been forever. Even if we do win it in the next 10 years we'll be winning one for every 4 Man Utd is winning. How is it possible we didn't sign Sturridge or Welbeck who can obviously score and are athletic and fast and skilled, yet we signed Carroll. People on here speak of we HAD to it was a panic buy. These people are getting paid millions to choose WISELY and NOT panic... they scout ALL YEAR, I do not believe it was a PANIC buy, I believe our scouts are as good as our competitors scouting. We got Coates they got Phil Jones. We got Carrol they got Welbeck. They win. We don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-92217385619592501862011-10-03T16:41:48.544-04:002011-10-03T16:41:48.544-04:00Oh, also, forget to mention. I do very much apprec...Oh, also, forget to mention. I do very much appreciate you using a real name, and should have returned the courtesy and addressed previous comment to "James." Thank you. Seriously, no sarcasm.<br /><br />It's much better to have someone to address – even if it's a random Internet handle – rather than a serious of "Anonymous" which may or may not be the same person.natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043601945557998732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-7641928790132828732011-10-03T16:39:40.038-04:002011-10-03T16:39:40.038-04:00Afraid we're not ever going to agree. Gonna ha...Afraid we're not ever going to agree. Gonna have to wait and see if this plan is ultimately successful. Which makes for poor internet arguments, but oh well. It's turned into what I think is the longest comment thread on this blog, so hurrah I guess.<br /><br />I do take issue with a couple more of your assumptions though.<br /><br />1) That there are distinct Comolli and Dalglish 'camps.' Dalglish wants all the Englishmen, Comolli's responsible for the foreigners. Nothing in public statements or the track records of either (Dalglish in first Liverpool stint or at Blackburn/Newcastle/Celtic, Comolli at Spurs) to suggest this.<br /><br />2) That Liverpool could have made it into the Champions League places without said significant investment.<br /><br />3) Aquilani isn't worth mentioning at all. Didn't want to be here, so Liverpool did all they could to ship out. Adam isn't his replacement; they're different players. And you assume he'd have been great in England even though we saw little but cameos under Benitez (his best matches were against Burnley and Portsmouth, neither still in the Premier League) and being good in preseason. So about the same as Voronin's accomplishments. Also, I don't know where you get Aquilani + 10m = Adam. Aquilani cost £18m, and what Milan will pay if they pick up the option hasn't been revealed (rumored to be €6-8m). Adam cost £7m.<br /><br />I hate assumptions.<br /><br />And one additional point. I used the 'moneyball' shorthand almost jokingly (hence the quotations, but subtlety's never been my strong suit) because it's been so abused as a term – there's never going to be a perfect statistical parallel between baseball and football spending for reasons you suggest. Boiling it down to simplest point is idea of getting value for money. And FSG/Comolli have been heavily quoted in their focus on youth, saying that's where value is, and that they don't mind overpaying for said youth/potential.natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043601945557998732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-9237816165290264902011-10-03T14:52:17.591-04:002011-10-03T14:52:17.591-04:00anon 1 = james
nate,
I understand none of these n...anon 1 = james<br /><br />nate,<br />I understand none of these names were linked with lfc. Again, I was simply using the value to compare. I know we could not have gotten these name THIS year. if youll re-read, my suggestion was to get into the cl before major investment (which with the current squad minus 50 mil on carrol and hendo, 4th is feasible in the next 2 campaigns imo)<br /><br />For our european friends, i'll explain the basics of moneyball: <br /><br />If you'll read my earlier comment, I don't think "Moneyball" has any real place in football because the landscape is so much different. Moneyball is completely reliant on statistics. There is very little interaction between a manager and the owners in terms of singings. Its almost a completely theoretical endeavor. moneyball has very little to do with youth, and a lot to do with efficiency. But exactly what does "efficiency" in baseball translate to in football? passing efficiency? scoring ratio? it cant be quantified like baseball.<br /><br />therefore the owners are heavily reliant on the opinions of two camps, the comolli camp which includes probably suarez and enrique and the dalglish camp which probably includes hendo and adam. Im assuming carroll falls somewhere between the two. now we are faced with a dichotomy in the squad, foreign skill and british force. i dont blame suarez for being upset with the side. When enrique plays a beautiful shot ball and adam plays a beautiful long ball into the stands, its logical for them to think they deserve better.<br /><br />if you think the money we were throwing around relegates players of earlier mention to fifa or fm or whatever, fine, lets talk dollars and sense. Adam = aquilani + 10 mil. charlie adam is supposedly our attacking minded midfielder and just simply does not have the vision or skill to so so. Aqulani is that player to link midfield to attack. If for some reason you think that wouldn't be possible, fine.<br /><br />lets talk youth. miralem pjanic is fast becoming the next luka modric in rome, a team NOT in the cl this year. eden hazard would have cost just over twice hendo's fee, but that is not a reality this season. I'm simply saying, I think players could have been brought in to help the side, who are young or old, get us into the cl and then go on the shopping spree. there is a difference between potential and proven potential. pjanic, suarez, enrique had proven potential. Hendo and carroll do not. its a 50 million pound gamble on something no one has any idea about. I dont think its the direction this club needed to take.<br /><br />thats all.jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-20374857830267932442011-10-03T11:25:45.339-04:002011-10-03T11:25:45.339-04:00Someone who isn't even willing to give themsel...Someone who isn't even willing to give themselves an internet nickname doesn't need to go all ad hominem on the host of this site by saying he "can't admit when he's wrong."<br /><br />It's probably true that this isn't redemption, but it's also true that it's Carroll's job to put the ball in the net when given a a chance, and he did that. Strikers are streaky creatures, and something like this could transform Andy's productivity. *Could.* <br /><br />And while Fabio Capello isn't exactly at the height of his reputation, the fact that he was seeing Carroll as the future #9 for England suggests that some smart football folks beyond Kenny and Comolli think the kid has world class potential. Sitting on either extreme of the Carroll situation makes people sound silly.<br /><br />Do Liverpool have a team spine that could win Europe right now? No. But Anon's little list of players leaves out Suarez, Downing, Kuyt, Gerrard, Lucas, Agger, Enrique, Pepe, and Johnson. Those 9 stars mean more to me than whether our next tier of guys are definitely in the same class. Plus, if Anderson and Cleverly can sit in United's midfield in front of ho hum dudes like Evans and Smalling and freaking Lindegard, then I think we can say that the concept of a *team* is at least as important as the individual talents within it. And that takes (gasp) time.Marchttp://twitter.com/pandagoalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-61704517585917725232011-10-02T22:57:42.674-04:002011-10-02T22:57:42.674-04:00pardon my grammar and spelling... iPads are highly...pardon my grammar and spelling... iPads are highly overrated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-55625568335120379652011-10-02T22:56:22.448-04:002011-10-02T22:56:22.448-04:00there are many Anons...
Nate can't admit he...there are many Anons... <br /><br />Nate can't admit he is wrong.. it's okay. However, if people don't realize we are basically Tottenham and Aston Villa 2007 version 2.0 then I don't know what to tell you. With this squad we will can do no better EVER than 6-4th place finish. We are a SMALL club currently. No kid growing up anywhere in the world has dreams of playing for liverpool and no current player has dreams of moving to liverpool. They dream of ManCity/ManUtd/RealMadrid/Barcelona/Chelsea<br /><br />The years of Juventus/AC Milan/Bayern Munich/Roma/Arsenal as ELITE clubs are over. There are 4 tiers in a 20 team table. Great-Good-Bad-Relegated.. we are currently just Good. Accept it Nate and accept that Carrol-Hendo-Adam-Carra-Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Lucas-Downing would NEEVR start for any of the Great teams and to quote the lil green man... That is why we fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-15678617247704853112011-10-02T15:51:44.211-04:002011-10-02T15:51:44.211-04:00I'm losing track of which Anonymous is which, ...I'm losing track of which Anonymous is which, but if the comment we're talking about was the one where you suggested Liverpool should have bought Zarate, Pazzini, or Aguero instead of Carroll, it's fantasy football. You wrote "purely economical terms," then mentioned Aguero, someone who gets around £200k/week in wages. Which comes out to around £25-30m more than Carroll's wages over a four-year period. Somewhat destroys the "economical terms" argument.<br /><br />Not directly insulting you, not questioning how much football you watch. I dismissed that comment because it deserved to be dismissed. Discussing whether a little-large pairing is feasible, whether Carroll fits into the team structure now (or in the future)? More than applicable. None of your listed names were linked with Liverpool. None of those names were going to happen. I mean, really. It's fantasy football. Sorry.<br /><br />Buying potential, paying over the odds for youth, is what FSG promised to do and is evident in almost all of the transfers seen since they took over. That's "moneyball" as it relates to football, I guess. Whether or not you agree with that strategy is one thing, but it's not "giving up" to buy potential. It's building for the long-term, because FSG/Comolli/Dalglish rightly realized Liverpool probably aren't winning the league short-term. Sad but true.<br /><br />Finally, bringing up Dzeko probably isn't the best example on your part, because that's exactly the kind of parallel I'd draw with Carroll. Looked a fish out of water last season, scoring for fun to start this one. A large target-man striker with decent feet fitting into a City side filled with small, clever, quick players. And Dzeko's three years older than Carroll, and (given that he plays for City) almost assuredly on higher wages.natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043601945557998732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-58160693467627562702011-10-02T15:00:00.479-04:002011-10-02T15:00:00.479-04:00@elwood
hendo's price tag was high because su...@elwood<br /><br />hendo's price tag was high because sunderland really werent that interested in parting ways with him. and yet we went out and paid a kings ransom to prise him away. he looked better with sunderland where he could have more responsibility and freedom, just about the same as adam. The prices DO matter, your just looking at it differently than me. I have watched these owners with the red sox and the marlins in baseball. they throw a shit ton of money at it early and then sit back and watch. if this is supposed to be the whole of the investment, i cant imagine any of you would be thinking that the current squad would be capable of europe, this year or in five. Its not a question of a bad deal, its a question of worth to the squad currently and what will be brought in to complement the purchases. andy is not worth half of the new owners investment, and he is showing more and more that he is simply not cut out for this style of play or this level of football. and this has NOTHING to do with drinking, practicing, attitude, those as asides, its simply the quality of his football. I dont see anywhere in his "potential" more technical skill, vision or positional awareness. he certainly has the potential to be the best englishman in the air, a rocket shot and a true number 9, but is that enough for lfc?<br /><br />@nate <br />i am an avid reader of your blog and i am both annoyed and somewhat taken aback by your relegation of my comment to "fantasy football". I watch at least 10 hours of football every week and attempt to learn more about the game everyday. my comment was simply about "danger" men. suarez gives opposition nightmares the night before gameday, carroll does not. half the time the opposition arent even gameplanning for carroll, because, as said previously, it is easy to man mark him out of the game. my point was, with another suarez type player, i think it would have made for a better squad than this outdated "little and big" nonsense. do you see man city, man utd or chelsea going after giant scarecrows? no they get complete footballers, like torres, rooney, berbatov or aguero/tevez/dzeko. Im not saying we could have bought these players without cl football or the finanaces these other clubs have, but does it make more sense to just give up and buy "potential"? I think we could have spent more reasonably, achieved cl qualification and then moved on from there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-62693775615622593002011-10-02T14:11:32.168-04:002011-10-02T14:11:32.168-04:00@Anonymous
So by your reasoning if a player cost...@Anonymous <br /><br />So by your reasoning if a player costs less to buy, he doesn't need to do as well to please you? So if we bought a striker 20m and he scored 1 goal and we bought a striker for 10m and he scored 1 goal the cheaper striker is twice as good right? By that logic Neil Mellor and Jimi Traore were at the core of our team during the Rafa-lution. After all Mellor scored 6 goals and we didn't pay a cent for him. Traore only cost half a million so he must of been our defensive corner stone. Hell, with this logic I could even make a case for Joe Cole.<br /><br />Forget about transfer fee's. They represent how much that player is worth to the manager on the given day that the purchase is made. Obviously we didn't get a good deal with Carroll. No one is arguing that. Newcastle knew we needed another striker and they knew we had the money. But those are the facts, we over payed and got a striker that the management believed to be a young and influential player. Henderson's price tag was high due to many interested club. Demand raises prices. We got in a bidding war and won.<br /><br />Now, let the players show their worth to you. If at the end of the day we decide that Henderson doesn't have the quality needed to be an influential player on Liverpool, then yes, it was a poor transfer. If he ends up playing well this year and many to come then it was a good transfer. But a constant check and balance system of dividing talent by cost is just nonsensical.<br /><br />Lastly, at the moment, we don't have the bidding power that Man City has. Unfortunately they have deeper wallets and the incentive of Champions League football. We will, at times, have to settle with the fact that we will not be able to draw in everyone Man City can and rather than filling our minds with the illusion that we are equals, we should focus on finding good players with promise and chemistry and in a year or two we will be at that level once again.Elwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08057308934705876637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-29968270218161837512011-10-02T13:47:02.558-04:002011-10-02T13:47:02.558-04:00My My!!
All this discussion after a Derby win!
We ...My My!!<br />All this discussion after a Derby win!<br />We have two weeks to talk before our next game. If we start on this note, we'll surely have a sour 2 weeks by the end of which the only decision left for us would be to term this team as shite and this season as over.<br /><br />I would personally like to think this was a positive result and gave ample game time for our front six to gel well. Like Nate said, we have completed a lot of our typical banana skin games and come out with very little or no bruises, according to me. All we have to do now is to build on it. <br /><br />With Gerrard back now, we can look to some positives. Gerrard, Suarez, Downing, Kuyt and Lucas will not have a problem with playing pass-n-move footy. Charlie Adams, Henderson and Carrol will take time but will learn the trade. Henderson already is looking good in playing the pass-n-move style in my opinion. Looking forward to positives...<br /><br />Thats what you Anon guys should be doing too..Abhiramnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-86871393735837676082011-10-02T10:37:13.899-04:002011-10-02T10:37:13.899-04:00@Peter Elwood
lucas was on 6m.
henderson was on ...@Peter Elwood<br /><br />lucas was on 6m.<br /><br />henderson was on 20m.<br /><br />carroll was on 35m.<br /><br />look at their prices tag. i bet if they aren't british, he will be benched or become center of the media.<br /><br />i don't know about their wages.<br /><br />more expensive price tag come more critics.<br /><br />both carroll and hendo should learn from kuyt, lucas. learn how to become hardworking player. <br /><br />look at rooney, drogba, suarez. learn from them. show us that they are different. don't wait for other to give support. show their x-factor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-52154779997256324002011-10-02T06:12:04.266-04:002011-10-02T06:12:04.266-04:00My fear is that you are right Anon but it is early...My fear is that you are right Anon but it is early to judge the new buys. My worry is who would buy Carrol & how much would we get.<br /><br />For me the players that should of been in the team at the start of the season or at least on the bench are Sterling, Suso & pancheco.psmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10791065062943933552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-27910111019644069642011-10-02T03:42:49.144-04:002011-10-02T03:42:49.144-04:00look these were just theoretical buys, simply to g...look these were just theoretical buys, simply to give a benchmark to the value. regardless of whether or not zarate would have succeeded, does anyone really believe the squad wouldn't be better off with a less talented version of suarez than carroll? <br /><br />i agree that handerson is talented, his passing is immense. however the sunderland supporters always warned - dont put him in the middle. and if he is to be a right sided midfielder, does anyone think that he could really be lfc quality? a poor mans ryan giggs at best? he offers little guile, pace or positional sense.<br /><br />i agree we should be waiting for the potential to shine through. i like the strategy. i just dont know who decided it was best to prepare for the future with old-school british talent that may bully their way to pl victories but could never compete with the best sides in the cl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-25193981453973949572011-10-02T01:53:34.033-04:002011-10-02T01:53:34.033-04:00* spending the Carroll money on Samba that is.* spending the Carroll money on Samba that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33779660.post-55284448965394879982011-10-02T01:50:36.317-04:002011-10-02T01:50:36.317-04:00Nate - Even the commentators made plenty of remark...Nate - Even the commentators made plenty of remarks in the first half about how quiet Carroll has been. Every game a commentator talks about Carroll could be doing more, Carroll seems to be walking around a lot, Carroll hasn't popped up anywhere all half... I know you love Liverpool as much as we all do but it is obvious Carroll is a mid table player. He isn't champions league quality, and that is our goal. We need a new motto, "If ManCity don't want them, neither do we". Stick to that and we'll get good players because they sure seem to have them all. Man City didn't become impressive by buying "players for the future" they bought players who are good NOW! If we can't afford that it's okay to say it but don't let people from the club brainwash you into thinking they are building for the future... if that was true they'd have bought Neymar instead of adam and carroll and got a star player to go along with suarez. FSG has the money for Neymar. Could you imagine Suarez and ANY OTHER GOOD STRIKER OUT THEIR IN A PARTNERSHIP? Seriously, if you can't see that Suarez is frustrated at Liverpool already you must be blind. It is glaringly obvious he is sick of playing with rubbish players up front, his gestures show it all the time. He'll do a great pass only for Carroll to have a horrid touch or Kuyt. Liverpool have fallen so far that we think Suarez is a GREAT player. He wouldn't even start for Man City or Chelsea at this point. We would have been better spending the money on Christopher Samba and had someone to replace Carra who has become an avg player these days. When it is Carra and Skrtel we dont intimidate any strikers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com